Monday, 25 May 2009


This is a topic that has been discussed endlessly over the years ever since there were DCS’s and PLC’s with SCADA on top.

Back in November I noted a great article, do PLCs Eliminate Need for a DCS? on that sums up the differences well. It does so from the point of view of the pro DCS Camp, not surprisingly because it is essentially a Honeywell interview.
Refreshingly though, it does not promote Honeywell over other DCS’s and just presents many of the core arguments that all DCS suppliers present. They are well presented good points

DCS's have succeeded for a good reason. They were the first to encapsulate things like PID control, and emulations of control panels. And the PLC people encapsulated relays and won the discrete market.

It would be good to see the other side of the argument presented equally impartially, no one has done so in response to that article, so I am having a little go. It may be because the suppliers of PLC/SCADA systems are more numerous but smaller, and none has the time to present the argument. Perhaps this is something the CSIA (Control Systems Integrators Association) should address.

So, lets looks at the core issues
"Today with open technologies, DCS systems are competitively priced with PLCs."
Maybe – but it is not my experience for the Hardware. This may well be true if the engineering is less, but that is another topic – the next one.

"Simply taking a PLC and adding an HMI and database on top of it requires a great deal more engineering to accomplish integrated control..."
I am one of those who has in the past been responsible for such engineering, and I don't quite agree with the term 'more engineering'. Better maybe, more is dependant on the application. Sure DCS’s are still far and away easiest for plants that have control loops and little else, such as refineries and the continuous chemical industries. And you would never use a DCS controller for fast machine control.
But it is that huge area in-between that the paper suggests is now DCS territory. But there are many case where PLC/SCADA still prevails. The food and beverage industries such as brewing and diaries are good examples.
And I am well aware of projects in the past where the engineering has taken far more that expected, even where a DCS was being used.

Why is configuration better than programming?
First it is highly a debatable point. Much of a SCADA is configured rather than programmed, and no configuration system exists in DCS's for complex sequential control for example.
Also, programming is not actually a bad thing, provided they are designed well, systems with programmed rather than configured applications can be better. This is because there is much more flexibility of design resulting in much less compromising of the functional requirements to fit the standard system.

Other points include:

Future growth
This is disputable as probably the largest (by IO Count) systems in the world are PLC based.
For example many food manufacturers have huge systems.
Need to make changes frequently
Of course if the application is well engineered such changes should be rare. New recipes should not require program changes for example
Integration requirements
Again, at least in the past it has long been easier to interface to other systems.
Even now DCS interfaces are often implemented with ModBus, and where did that start? PLC's!
Fault Tolerance
I think PLC's may have caught up here

The PLC vendors still seem to be struggling with trying to get all the parts and pieces to work together seamlessly.
Really? This may be true from the point of view of a small PLC/SCADA Systems Integrator competing with a large DCS supplier to win a project. But I think this is not a technical issue, rather one of the nature of those two types of supplier

I am convinced that the results using a well designed PLC/SCADA can be far better than using DCS canned functions. Not only in the result, but in the time it takes to write the software, the user interface, the scan time for the program to execute, and the hardware cost.

I could add further reasons that a DCS may be better, for example the maintenance of the PLC/SCADA systems may be more involved as they all have different software architectural designs, no two SI's seem to do it the same. But I will cover that in another blog soon


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Zane said...

I heard that recently the differences between a PLC or a DCS is unclear. Both of them are crossing the boundaries on the realms of each type. Is that so?

Monica said...

Talking about PLC and DCS, which one is the most commonly used? Actually, I am new in the field of automation. So, I need lots of information about it.